well edit4ever it looks like you were right. I moved the Pi3 to my bedroom that has main cable feed into the house into, i also removed the usb extension cable and plugged the tuner directly into the pi. last night watched about 2 hours of a HD channel with no problems. Thanks for the support and suggestions.
I have now sorted my channel list including numbering and tags as well, next i'm on t the epg using your addon, which i foolishly tried to run on a windows machine last night as the Pi was in with a sleeping wife.
on a side note how do i back up my setting so that when i eventually mess it up again (which i will) I don't have to spend hours on the scanning / channel sort?
thanks again