Posts by petediscrete

For anyone else looking in here.

Found an old RPI3+ in the box of spares. Used one of the official RPI PSUs and borrowed a 128gb Sandisk Ultra (with a warning not to thrash it) to test the install procedure.

Downloaded the RPI2 image, 7 zipped it and used win32 disc image to burn it. From start to booting GUI on the RPI3* took 15 minutes.

No errors reported on boot and definitely no under voltage detected messages.

No doubt if you’ve read through this whole topic you’ll have a general idea what to look out for in the event of a problem. Rule out the simple items first before digging down too deep and frustrating yourself.

The RPI3+ is back in the box and the 128gb is freshly formatted and safely back in the hands of its owner

Quote from tim50stroud

Ok that makes sense... I'm not a Linux person! One (hopefully ) last stupid question; how do I get to the command line, it just auto boots into Kodi?!

SSH remotely. PuTTY for the Windows man

Nothing worse when you find that your “fully loaded” Android box is mining crypto while you’re watching a movie

The bigger the amperage the better BUT it needs to be stable. That’s the biggest problem with PSUs on sale out there. Headline amperage but little or no stability. One of my pet hates is that damn mini usb power connector. Give me a barrel jack connector any day.

Again just to get the damn thing to boot LE11 on a high capacity card and put the this to bed I’d keep peripherals hanging off the RPI to a minimum. Mouse/keyboard only preferably.

If you’re seeing under current errors all the time on the RPI you’re definitely doing something wrong. Those error messages are there for a reason.

Advertised current and stable current are two different things. Most of those cheapo Asian supplies tend to fail the test every time. Putting a meter across the power supply will soon expose that. One additional peripheral attached tips the RPI over the edge.

As the lower capacity SD cards boot LE11 and the larger ones do not I suggested removing all peripherals to give an extra current overhead and see if it boots through. If so you’ve got to assume that the power supply is the issue. Again a simple exercise in the troubleshooting process.

Start out with a freshly imaged SD card and remove all peripherals with the exception of the HDMI cable and see if the reduced overhead helps with a successful boot. Check the dmesg output and compare the two.

Quote from frakkin64

Yep, your situation is pretty unusual (works on 5.10, not anything later). It's not LE11 specific, you more or less proved that. But you said earlier you have used Ubuntu and other OSes, have you taken inventory what version of the Linux kernel was running on those? Considering this issue has been there since at least 5.15, and no one else reported it, seems to suggest a fairly unique to you problem.

The easiest solution is to probably to re-evaluate whether you really need a large SD card (256GB is quite large for a media center, but not sure what other stuff your doing there) and perhaps downsize/buy a different class/brand/something. There is quite the possibility that the engineers over at Raspberry Pi may not spend a lot of effort on it, considering there isn't widespread reports -- although they dug into the CPU problem (not all cores were coming up sporadically) that I had and I was the only one reporting it.

I’m all for fault finding. Probably the best education you’ll get on the platform you’re working on. It’s knowing the right time to quit. That’s the best lesson learnt.

Personally I find the RPI over priced, over hyped and under engineered. The quality of the boards has definitely slipped since its first incarnation. It could well be some fault in the hardware or firmware causing the problem but without some form of batch testing in a controlled environment it’s just a crap shoot fault finding this problem and one sure way of turning you off the platform for life.

As you say one single issue or a combination of issues, both hardware and software could be at the root of the problem. Here’s a typical example of an experience one user had on an RPI4 with an SD card with an unrelated application. You can see the outcome.

Raspberry Pi 4 Model B Rev 1.5 - error -5 whilst initialising SD card

Hello, i did some more testing with core 172 and 173 not working anymore when booting from SD Card - You get an Error: USB XHCI 1.00 scanning bus xhci_pci…

community.ipfire.org

Personally I wouldn’t waste any further time pursuing this. If you really do need a large capacity drive for LE go the SSD route. A much more reliable bet. You could of course use a smaller capacity proven to work SD card and off load media files (recordings, videos, music etc.) to external attached storage.

I don’t see a solution to your problem large capacity SD card coming down the line anytime soon. I’d rather just sit back and enjoy LE than spending countless hours playing around with the installation.

Would it be possible to supply information on what hardware is being used here. I see hubs mentioned but no mention of type nor power overhead.

Quote from Meestor_X

Sorry, Pete, I know you mean well, and I do understand that µSD cards can be trouble, but this time I'm afraid you're barking up the wrong tree. I do appreciate your efforts in trying to help though.

Please see:

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RE: LibreElec v11 on RPI3 won't start

TY. I will do that. I assume there's no way to create a LE11 build that uses a slightly older kernel that perhaps doesn't have this bug?

I do like the idea of being able to properly test an SD card, though. Wasn't really up for figuring out how to get f3 installed on my Mac so I took the lazy route: https://github.com/vrunkel/F3XSwift

Tested my cards and they all pass.

Meestor_X

March 14, 2023 at 10:54 PM

I’m barking up nobody’s tree. Just trying to assist. I suggested doing that early on in this topic but got a distinct impression you weren’t interested.

There’s no empiric data to suggest that large capacity SD cards are any less suitable than their smaller capacity counterparts with LE11. No shortage of supposition though. Of course it is early days in the cycle.

As I said good luck with finding a solution.

Quote from frakkin64

Ahh, thanks for the confirmation. So that closes that door.

Okay, so there we go. What I would do next is go over to Github and report the bug here:

https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues

Just hit the New issue button, and see what the engineers over there can help figure out, and hopefully report back for others to learn your findings. Good luck.

As I mentioned above here’s a typical response from the RPI forum.

Max SD card size on Raspberry Pi 4 - Raspberry Pi Forums

The card needs to be checked for integrity as should any other high capacity cards purchased through the same channel.

I included a link for a simple utility that will do the job. Once that’s ruled out the OP can proceed in the knowledge that he got what he purchased.

Quote from petediscrete

As I mentioned above here’s a typical response from the RPI forum.

https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?t=244295

The card needs to be checked for integrity as should any other high capacity cards purchased through the same channel.

I included a link for a simple utility that will do the job. Once that’s ruled out the OP can proceed in the knowledge that he got what he purchased.

And of the OP needs any further convincing another link on the subject from the RPI forum directly mentioning the utility f3. https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?t=309925

Anyway that’s me done and good luck with the outcome.

Might be time to try an alternative high capacity SD card so you can emphatically state that LE is having difficulties with them. As I mentioned above I’m running LE11 off a Sandisk 64gb with no problems. I’ve seen as cards work with some systems and not with others. Again a good search will throw up these scenarios.

If you do want to do a low level exam of your card to check it’s integrity f3 will give a full lo level analysis of it. Of course it’s entirely up to you if you think your card is flawless and want to hold out for a working solution. https://medium.com/@drawn_stories…al-f0109bef63ea

One of the 10%, RockPro64 and other than an annoying black screen on boot which I resolved today LE11 is running rock solid. Sandisk 64 Extreme in use here.

Quote from jernej

No, I very much prefer public conversation. PMs are mainly for rare cases, like sharing video samples (some people are afraid of this due to copyrights), for example.

I thought the boss had just summoned you......

Quote from Da Flex

Use the speech bubbles icon for private conversation.

Are you doing private consulations now lol

I was just about to make the following post when I decided to look at this problem and tried the following

SSH into LE.

mount -o remount,rw /flash

cd /flash/extlinux

nano extlinux.conf

Not sure what the contents of other users extlinux.conf files look like but I added the following

"video=HDMI-A-1:1920x1080M@60DI" into the APPEND line so the whole line looks like this

APPEND boot=UUID=2802-3907 disk=UUID=96107177-1923-4a03-8e37-b4cdaeae519e quiet console=uart8250,mmio32,0xff1a0000 console=tty0 coherent_pool=2M video=HDMI-A-1:1920x1080M@60D cec.debounce_ms=5000

Just issue the reboot command in SSH and everything is now working perfectly.

I tried a number of other suggestions that didn't work. Reading up on a number of them and using a little logic got me there in the end.

Again this was happening with a RockPro64 RK3399 rev2.1 board. May be of use to others in a similar situation.

Quote from Meestor_X

Thank you for your reply, petediscrete , but I'm not sure how that article is relevant?

This same card works perfectly in everything I use it on, including this particular RPI3 when running LE9 or LE10.

As I suggested do your own research and you’ll see the relevancy.

Just curious why you need such a high capacity card for LE. You can off load everything else to a USB stick or other external drive.

Maybe in the meantime someone from devs might have other suggestions.