After upgrading from 8.0.2 to 8.2.0 my Macmini is no longer waking up from suspend using the apple ir remote.
It only wakes up when I press the poweron button on the device itself but not with the remote.
Any suggestions?
Thanks, Jeroen.
After upgrading from 8.0.2 to 8.2.0 my Macmini is no longer waking up from suspend using the apple ir remote.
It only wakes up when I press the poweron button on the device itself but not with the remote.
Any suggestions?
Thanks, Jeroen.
For the non-working 8.2.0 installation it is:
Macmini:/sys/bus/usb/devices # journalctl -a | paste
http://sprunge.us/NZFX
Macmini:/sys/bus/usb/devices # dmesg | paste
http://sprunge.us/JciJ
Macmini:/sys/bus/usb/devices # lsmod | paste
http://sprunge.us/DEhD
For the working 8.0.2 intallation I first have to revert my system upgrade and I will need some more time for that.
For the working 8.0.2 intallation it is:
LibreELEC (official) Version: 8.0.2
Macmini:~ # journalctl -a | paste
http://sprunge.us/fEGL
Macmini:~ # dmesg | paste
http://sprunge.us/cYiX
Macmini:~ # lsmod | paste
http://sprunge.us/GijW
I see there is a difference, but I have no understanding of what this is. So hope you can help me Hias.
Thanks.
One difference is that we enable the apple-ir driver in 8.2.0 - this could be what's causing the issue, although I have no idea why wakeup worked before.
Could you test if wakeup works after running the following command on 8.2.0:
DEVPATH="/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/2-1/2-1.8/2-1.8.2/2-1.8.2:1.0/0003:05AC:8242.0001/input/input4" /usr/lib/udev/wakeup_enable
so long,
Hias
Hi Hias,
I executed the command you requested, and then tested the wakeup again.
However it still did not work to wakeup.
Jeroen
Would it otherwise be possible to use the old ir driver in 8.2.0 instead of the apple-ir driver ?
The previous versions contained no driver for the apple remote at all
We added the apple-ir driver because we got reports that atvclient no longer worked without it. Also using lirc with the macmini / usbhid driver seems to require it.
Unfortunately none of us LibreELEC developers have such hardware to test.
BTW: are you using atvclient? If yes, uninstall it, then reboot, then ssh in, run the command from above and test again if wakeup works.
IIRC atvclient unbinds the USB device so the command I posted could silently fail. Without atvclient probably only ENTER and volume up / down will be working, but that should be enough to test this. Better connect a USB keyboard during tests though.
If that works, install atvclient, check if the remote works normally, and then check if suspend / remote wakeup works. Don't reboot in between, otherwise the wakeup settings from manually running wakeup_enable might be lost.
so long,
Hias
Sorry, had forgotten that atvclient is built into the image, thought it was an addon.
To disable it run the following command, then reboot.
To enable it again run this:
Then, to start it without rebooting this should work:
so long,
Hias
Hi Hias,
I did all the instructions you said, but unfortunately without any success
As far as I know atvclient is the only way to get the apple ir remote working properly and it works already for ages. There was a small code change earlier this year to support Krypton, but before that atvclinet code was not touched for a very long time.
Is it an option to disable / remove the newly added apple ir driver, since it is not required by atvclient?
I am happy to test.
Jeroen.
According to this post atvclient didn't work at all until we enabled the appleir driver atvclient working but kodi does nothing
I 've just kicked off a build without that driver and can upload it tomorrow but I suspect wake-from-suspend will still not work and atvclient won't work either.
BTW: just noticed that you wrote that wakeup didn't work with 8.0 either and you manually had to add something to autostart: Apple IR Remote (atvclient) not working in v7.90.010 ALPHA
8.2 uses a newer kernel (4.11 instead of 4.9 in 8.0) so probably some other change(s) might be needed...
so long,
Hias
Hi Hias,
Thanks for preparing the build. I will test it on Saturday because I am away from home the whole week.
I have added below lines to my autostart.sh in order for the USB devices/Bus to enable the wakeup.
The atvclient itself has always worked for me (in LE 8 it needed latest version with krypton patches though).
My autostart.sh
Jeroen.
Hi Jeroen,
interesting that atvclient always worked for you - I'll probably need have a closer look into the differences between your setup and the one where atvclient failed.
Here's a build without the apple-ir driver: LibreELEC-Generic.x86_64-8.2-devel-20171030102100-r26198-g0239080387.tar
It would also be great if you could run the following commands on 8.0.2, 8.2.0, 8.2.0 with atvclient disabled, and the build above and post the output - this should hopefully give some hints if other wakeup related settings have changed:
so long,
Hias
Hi Hias,
Thanks for the build.
I will do all the testing on saturday and report back to you then.
Cheers,
Jeroen
Hi Hias,
I tested the new buid and it works geat. Resume / wakep works as before again !!!
Below is the output from the commands that you requested me.
I am using LE and therefore OE for a long time now on Macmini (and prior ATV1) and the atvclient always worked perfectly, and for many other users.
So I wonder what the plan is now?
Greetings,
Jeroen
8.0.2
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Macmini:~ # cat /proc/acpi/wakeup
Device S-state Status Sysfs node
P0P2 S4 *disabled pci:0000:00:01.0
EC S4 *disabled platform:PNP0C09:00
GMUX S4 *disabled pnp:00:03
HDEF S4 *disabled pci:0000:00:1b.0
RP01 S4 *disabled pci:0000:00:1c.0
GIGE S4 *enabled pci:0000:01:00.0
SDXC S4 *disabled pci:0000:01:00.1
RP02 S4 *disabled pci:0000:00:1c.1
ARPT S4 *disabled pci:0000:02:00.0
RP03 S4 *disabled pci:0000:00:1c.2
EHC1 S4 *enabled pci:0000:00:1d.0
EHC2 S4 *disabled pci:0000:00:1a.0
XHC1 S4 *disabled pci:0000:00:14.0
Macmini:~ # find /sys/devices -name wakeup | xargs grep .
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:02:00.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.0/usb1/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.0/usb1/1-1/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/power/wakeup:enabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/2-1/power/wakeup:enabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/2-1/2-1.8/2-1.8.2/power/wakeup:enabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/2-1/2-1.8/power/wakeup:enabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/2-1/2-1.8/2-1.8.1/power/wakeup:enabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/2-1/2-1.8/2-1.8.1/2-1.8.1.3/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/power/wakeup:enabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb3/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb4/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.2/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.2/0000:03:00.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1f.2/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.0/0000:01:00.1/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.0/0000:01:00.0/power/wakeup:enabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1f.0/PNP0C09:00/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:04:00.0/0000:05:04.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:04:00.0/0000:05:00.0/0000:06:00.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:04:00.0/0000:05:00.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:04:00.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:04:00.0/0000:05:03.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:04:00.0/0000:05:06.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:04:00.0/0000:05:05.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:16.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1b.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/platform/serial8250/tty/ttyS2/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/platform/serial8250/tty/ttyS0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/platform/serial8250/tty/ttyS3/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/platform/serial8250/tty/ttyS1/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pnp0/00:03/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pnp0/00:02/power/wakeup:enabled
/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXPWRBN:00/power/wakeup:enabled
8.2.0
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Macmini:~ # cat /proc/acpi/wakeup
Device S-state Status Sysfs node
P0P2 S4 *disabled pci:0000:00:01.0
EC S4 *disabled platform:PNP0C09:00
GMUX S4 *disabled pnp:00:03
HDEF S4 *disabled pci:0000:00:1b.0
RP01 S4 *disabled pci:0000:00:1c.0
GIGE S4 *enabled pci:0000:01:00.0
SDXC S4 *disabled pci:0000:01:00.1
RP02 S4 *disabled pci:0000:00:1c.1
ARPT S4 *disabled pci:0000:02:00.0
RP03 S4 *disabled pci:0000:00:1c.2
EHC1 S4 *enabled pci:0000:00:1d.0
EHC2 S4 *disabled pci:0000:00:1a.0
XHC1 S4 *disabled pci:0000:00:14.0
Macmini:~ # find /sys/devices -name wakeup | xargs grep .
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:02:00.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.0/usb1/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.0/usb1/1-1/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/power/wakeup:enabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/2-1/power/wakeup:enabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/2-1/2-1.8/2-1.8.2/power/wakeup:enabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/2-1/2-1.8/power/wakeup:enabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/2-1/2-1.8/2-1.8.1/power/wakeup:enabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/2-1/2-1.8/2-1.8.1/2-1.8.1.3/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/power/wakeup:enabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb3/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb4/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.2/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.2/0000:03:00.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1f.2/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.0/0000:01:00.1/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.0/0000:01:00.0/power/wakeup:enabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1f.0/PNP0C09:00/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:04:00.0/0000:05:04.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:04:00.0/0000:05:00.0/0000:06:00.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:04:00.0/0000:05:00.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:04:00.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:04:00.0/0000:05:03.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:04:00.0/0000:05:06.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:04:00.0/0000:05:05.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:16.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1b.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/platform/serial8250/tty/ttyS2/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/platform/serial8250/tty/ttyS0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/platform/serial8250/tty/ttyS3/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/platform/serial8250/tty/ttyS1/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pnp0/00:03/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pnp0/00:02/power/wakeup:enabled
/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXPWRBN:00/power/wakeup:enabled
8.2.0 with atvclient disabled
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Macmini:~ # cat /proc/acpi/wakeup
Device S-state Status Sysfs node
P0P2 S4 *disabled pci:0000:00:01.0
EC S4 *disabled platform:PNP0C09:00
GMUX S4 *disabled pnp:00:03
HDEF S4 *disabled pci:0000:00:1b.0
RP01 S4 *disabled pci:0000:00:1c.0
GIGE S4 *enabled pci:0000:01:00.0
SDXC S4 *disabled pci:0000:01:00.1
RP02 S4 *disabled pci:0000:00:1c.1
ARPT S4 *disabled pci:0000:02:00.0
RP03 S4 *disabled pci:0000:00:1c.2
EHC1 S4 *enabled pci:0000:00:1d.0
EHC2 S4 *disabled pci:0000:00:1a.0
XHC1 S4 *disabled pci:0000:00:14.0
Macmini:~ # find /sys/devices -name wakeup | xargs grep .
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:02:00.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.0/usb1/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.0/usb1/1-1/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/power/wakeup:enabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/2-1/power/wakeup:enabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/2-1/2-1.8/2-1.8.2/power/wakeup:enabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/2-1/2-1.8/power/wakeup:enabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/2-1/2-1.8/2-1.8.1/power/wakeup:enabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/2-1/2-1.8/2-1.8.1/2-1.8.1.3/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/power/wakeup:enabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb3/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb4/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.2/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.2/0000:03:00.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1f.2/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.0/0000:01:00.1/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.0/0000:01:00.0/power/wakeup:enabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1f.0/PNP0C09:00/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:04:00.0/0000:05:04.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:04:00.0/0000:05:00.0/0000:06:00.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:04:00.0/0000:05:00.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:04:00.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:04:00.0/0000:05:03.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:04:00.0/0000:05:06.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:04:00.0/0000:05:05.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:16.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1b.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/platform/serial8250/tty/ttyS2/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/platform/serial8250/tty/ttyS0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/platform/serial8250/tty/ttyS3/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/platform/serial8250/tty/ttyS1/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pnp0/00:03/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pnp0/00:02/power/wakeup:enabled
/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXPWRBN:00/power/wakeup:enabled
The new build
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Macmini:~ # cat /proc/acpi/wakeup
Device S-state Status Sysfs node
P0P2 S4 *disabled pci:0000:00:01.0
EC S4 *disabled platform:PNP0C09:00
GMUX S4 *disabled pnp:00:03
HDEF S4 *disabled pci:0000:00:1b.0
RP01 S4 *disabled pci:0000:00:1c.0
GIGE S4 *enabled pci:0000:01:00.0
SDXC S4 *disabled pci:0000:01:00.1
RP02 S4 *disabled pci:0000:00:1c.1
ARPT S4 *disabled pci:0000:02:00.0
RP03 S4 *disabled pci:0000:00:1c.2
EHC1 S4 *enabled pci:0000:00:1d.0
EHC2 S4 *disabled pci:0000:00:1a.0
XHC1 S4 *disabled pci:0000:00:14.0
Macmini:~ # find /sys/devices -name wakeup | xargs grep .
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.1/0000:02:00.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.0/usb1/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.0/usb1/1-1/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1a.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/power/wakeup:enabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/2-1/power/wakeup:enabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/2-1/2-1.8/2-1.8.2/power/wakeup:enabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/2-1/2-1.8/power/wakeup:enabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/2-1/2-1.8/2-1.8.1/power/wakeup:enabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/2-1/2-1.8/2-1.8.1/2-1.8.1.3/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/power/wakeup:enabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb3/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb4/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.2/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.2/0000:03:00.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1f.2/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.0/0000:01:00.0/power/wakeup:enabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1f.0/PNP0C09:00/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:04:00.0/0000:05:04.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:04:00.0/0000:05:00.0/0000:06:00.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:04:00.0/0000:05:00.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:04:00.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:04:00.0/0000:05:03.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:04:00.0/0000:05:06.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:04:00.0/0000:05:05.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:16.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1b.0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/platform/serial8250/tty/ttyS2/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/platform/serial8250/tty/ttyS0/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/platform/serial8250/tty/ttyS3/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/platform/serial8250/tty/ttyS1/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pnp0/00:03/power/wakeup:disabled
/sys/devices/pnp0/00:02/power/wakeup:enabled
/sys/devices/LNXSYSTM:00/LNXPWRBN:00/power/wakeup:enabled
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Thanks a lot for the feedback!
Wakeup states look identical for 8.2.0 and my test build, no idea why wakeup doesn't work with 8.2.0.
I'm inclined to disable the kernel appleir driver again in official builds, but I'll wait a bit for feedback from the other thread (atvclient not working).
so long,
Hias
Ok Hias, thanks for your help.
Please let me know when this is fixed in the official build, so I can upgrade to an official build again.
Or If you want me to do another test....
Jeroen.