Posts by yamcenutzer

Quote from smp

As you can see on this block diagram, NUC11PAxxx does not have a native HDMI port. It is using a DP->HDMI protocol converter (PCON) chip. It is more than likely the source of your audio passthrough issues. So this is not a gen11 issue but an issue specific to that NUC model. There is nothing to fix from LE/Kodi side.

I thought the lspcon issues were solved long ago in 5.x kernels

Also it used to work on my 5thgen with LE 9/10

I am, guessing this is a new issue.

Does anyone know if the hdmi2.1 on the N100/200 are native? Asus doesn't have diagram, and I don't trust the one from asrock.

What are the chances that the 11gen intel chips get fixed?

Imho they support about everything in HW (decode, and mostly encode too, but that is not relevant to kodi)

And my nuc11i3 should actually be a bit more performant than the n100s, no?

All these cases that are not FLUSH with hdmi connector will cause problems. In fact the only really good ones seem to be the official plastic cases.

Repeat after me: the pi is conceptually NOT living room material. Its a educational device for tinkerers and nerds.

Quote from heitbaum

I haven’t tested nuc11 for ages but the pass through “issue” I was able to reproduce on the NUC11PAHi7 regularly. The coming and going audio I have not experienced. The issue I experienced was “audio goes” and a reboot was required.

Ah, yes, exactly the issue I have on an 11PAHi3. Any chance this could be fixed?

Also there is something interesting going on here...Intel Alder Lake 2160p @ 23.976 Hz passthrough HD Audio dropouts (i7-1270p/N100) - Page 2 - Hardware - LibreELEC Forum 
although that is also 12gen

Quote from heitbaum

Some clarification - Intel NUC is used heavily and extensively in testing of all LE releases - specifically a NUC12WSKi7, and previously NUC6,10,11. There are known “issues” with audio on NUC11 that I have personally experienced, but are not occurring on a NUC12WSKi7. So not sure what issues are being referenced. There are LSPCON issues in some NUC devices that have caused issue.

Note: when using “new” (not yet upstreamed hardware) e.g. the AX100 wireless, some of the N100 chips … there will be 12-18 months of pain for the purchaser (note - I run bleeding edge software (and release candidate / patches) - to allow testing and running on these newer generations of hardware.) so LE is pretty much up to date as much as possible for support of newer hardware. But if the hardware being purchased is not fully supported by Kernel 6.6.y for Intel equipment (I can only vouch for the NUC mentioned) then you will have issues as this is the release that we are going with for LE12.

Next thing is unfortunately Intel has left the NUC business, and as an avid NUC users, have not decided on my next Intel direction. But after LE12 is released - I will probably be focussed on using the AMD Beelink SER7 - but this will bring its own challenges.

Thanks for the info. I am glad to hear that Nucs are still extensively used for testing. I am however sorry to learn, that especially the 11gen have issues. The reason I got myself a nuc11 after years of happy using a nuc5 was that the nuc11 are the last ones with CIR. Also the nuc12 seemed even more overkill. I guess I'll now have to wait for the ASUS p42 with a n100 to start working, although I'd rather prefer my Nuc11. It's the smallest i3 (the pentiums don't have CIR). Any chance the nuc11 issues (what are they one you know about?) get resolved. I have issues with Audio coming and going and passthrouh not working as mentioned above near the starting posts of this thread.
The other issue has to do with the tv.hts client not playing uhd streams with VAAPI, which, I guess, is not really related to the chip.

I have a few raspi lying around, and while the 4/5's do work kind of nicely with Libreelec, they ´weren't designed to be living room material. And the pi foundation does everything to keep it that way:

• no power management,
• no soft on/off
• flimsy connectors (micro hdmi is mechanically highly unstable)
• no decent case
• connector all around the board
• no remote and while it has CEC, the latter cannot switch on the device

People keep saying keep it on, it doesn't suck that much power when idle,,, hmm, well, yes, but it keeps wol-ing other servers that could actually sleep. If you disable wol, then again you need to run around and physically switch on other stuff..

Again usabilty for non Nerds is a pretty low. Also, the PQ has improved, it isn't that great.

Which brings me back to intel nucs. Why is it that it they have been abandoned? Money? Is it possible to bribe someone to bring back functionality that was already there in LE10 and got broken in 11/12?

Sorry for the cross post, just noticed the thread has moved here:

So here's the situation for me as of now (todays nightly LE12):

nuc11i3 -> denon 1703-->panasonic 65HZ2000

- audio is stable as long as no pass through is attempted (note the TV can already do all formats)

- passthru works for non hd formats

- passthru doesn't passthrough any hd

-- dts ma becomes dts-- trying trueHD (7.1 in my case) kills all audio, and the system needs to be restarted to regain any audio

- UHD (4k) - tv via tvh-client doesn't play with HEVC VAAPi. Sometimes even not with VAAPI disabled, could not determine yet why.

There may be other things, but these are the issues I have, that used to work in LE 9 (or was it 10, before the big change that also required new binary addons , like the tvh client , I forgot)

Also a request: can a intel specifc topic be opened, we have specific topics for all those puny toys, but not for generic. Or am I misisng something?

So Here the situation for me as of now (todays nightly LE12):

nuc11i3 -> denon 1703-->panasonic 65HZ2000

- audio is stable as long as no pass through is attempted (note the TV can already do all formats)

- passthru works for non hd formats

- passthru doesn't passthrough any hd

-- dts ma becomes dts-- trying trueHD (7.1 in my case) kills all audio, and the system needs to be restarted to regain any audio

- UHD (4k) - tv via tvh-client doesn't play with HEVC VAAPi. Sometimes even not with VAAPI disabled, could not determine yet why.

There may be other things, but these are the issues I have, that used to work in LE 9 (or was it 10 , I forgot)

Thanks a lot, sky42 for that detailed description.

So audio still has issues, but it sounds a lot better than when I last gave up on it many many night(lies)s ago.

I think I should start looking into it again.

BTW,

1. the last NUCs to have CIR (which, for me, is a must) are the 11gens..

2. my preference of connections would be player->tv->receiver(via eARC). Of course+, assuming the tv can passthrough everything to the receiver. That's what I will be testing.

have a nuc 11i3 (actually 2 of them)
- no uhd via tv-headend client

- audio via hdmi broken (keeps getting lost if format changes )

the only stuff that works is le 9

IMHO nuc support has been dropped since LE 10

Quote from sky42

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Even StandBy and WakeUp works. Most of the time the bios I can see too on my LG with a Denon AVR.

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The first positive note about LE11 on intel HW in long time, great!, May I ask a few questions:
1. how have you connected this (hdmi to denon passthrough/yes/no or Hdmi to LD and arc on demand) ? or dp ?
2. what contents have you tested ? 4k ? hdr?
3. what hd-audio formats work/don't work?
4. do you watch TV? if so which client? if yes, can you watch uhd content (incl. time shift)

Thks,

Same problem here, but interestingly only on the raspberry platform

The intel platform (which has other issues) this works as expected.

On the pi platfrom, when I try to add the source, it keeps complaining, even though I can actually see folder contents.

There is also some weird dialog about folder preferences asking for user/password but never accepts the password. When this happen, the log comes with the usual 'permission denied' message, as if kodi is simply ignorinhg the password/ cannot save it...

Also, I found 3 places where media sources can be added , userdata/ mediasources.xml, sources.xml and passwords,xml.

Are these still valid, if so why 3, and are they actually editable (e.g. via ssh) while kodi is running?

Thx,

Yes I know that (use http streaming instead) , I mentioned that in another thread. That's like going back to the dark ages of tv without timeshift.

The whole point of my complaints were the overall regression of stuff that used to work, that got broken in LE 11 onwards and LE 10 already having a lot of problems of handling newer intel chipsets, like the mentioned problems of losing hdmi audio every other time a different format is played.

Now that Intel has given up on NUCs, I don't see any hope of this platform going anywhere beyond the capabilities of the what I called toy class devices (rpi, amlogic etc.)

What about 4k uhd channels? For me (using tvheadend client) they won't display with hevc-vaapi enabled.

Eg. UHD1 by Astra or SES UHD demo ( they are sat channels on Astra), or if you have paid foir it, pro7 Uhd /rtl /uhd.

Also channels requiring interleave are broken, when having to upscale to a 4k monitor (the monitor doesn't offer any other resolutions, so the box has to do the work, which it actually is capable of)

Quote from HomerJau

Thanks. I just ordered a Intel NUC11TNKi3 to test latest LibreElec HDR10 builds (Tiger Lake) (TGLx)

Based on that doc my 2 x Intel NUC8 are not going to do HDR10 (KBLx).

Well, how's it going?
I can't get my nuc11 to keep hdmi audio running. Also a number of glitches with 4k hevc hw when streaming from tv.

Toy class means that the gui freezes all so often when scrolling through large collections of whatever e.g. a tv grid.

Toy class also means no decent remote, except maybe CEC, if that works, and then you're limited to a few buttons. Compare that to the ancient rc6 remotes, and you see what I mean

Toy class also means hd-audio on demand (although kodi/Librelec never got hot-plugging hdmi right)

The point being: if someone is willing to spend more than 50.-for a device that can drive a much, much more expensive 4k TV and possibly Amp, then ..... yes well what? kodi? le? Currently you can't even throw money at it, no decent media players.

The TV community has shown years ago, what (TV-) media player (aka decent sat receivers) should be able to do: e.g. 4 simultaenous FHD streams on a 4k display, aka 'sports bar mode' . And these are linux based!

Kodi? LE? thousands of add-ons but the core functionality of high q media playback?

Intel has dropped support for NUCs, So I guess that is pretty much the end of living room compliant HDR/HDaudio capable OSS.
The toy class devices are what's left raspi/amlogic/google sticks and the like.

What a pity.

At least le 10 could handle multiple hdmi so you could split video/audio.

LE 11/12 is going nowhere when it comes to intel devices.

er, no, that is about resume from sleep.

hdmi audio getting lost everytime you play and stop media is kinda a basic no-go

any news about this, or is nuc11 a lost cause?